Gay-Rights Groups Blast Obama Administration Brief
From MSNBC.com
From NBC’s Mark Murray
Gay-rights groups, such as the Human Rights Campaign, are criticizing the Obama administration for filing a brief in California court that defends the Defense of Marriage Act — which Barack Obama promised to repeal while running for president.
“The Administration apparently determined that it had a duty to defend DOMA in the courts. The president has just as strong a duty to put his principles into action, and end discrimination against LGBT people and our families,” said HRC President Joe Solmonese. “We call on the President to send legislation repealing DOMA to Congress,” he added.
This is the latest administration move that has irked gay-rights groups, which also have questioned Obama’s commitment to overturning “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and complained when he picked Rev. Rick Warren to deliver to deliver the prayer at Obama’s inauguration.
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ReadtheBook, I will admonish you to read the Book..While the Bible does speak on slavery, it does so in the framework of the knowledge that it’s not a part of God’s plan, will, or design. Since PEOPLE hardened their hearts against God’s ordinances, he devised guidelines(which weren’t followed, BTW), should a person have slaves. The same is true of Divorce; the scripture makes it clear that divorce is NOT of God (neither is slavery), but existed due to wickedness & the hardness of man’s heart. We are sinful in nature, and while God realizes we are erring children, he has devised caveats for SPECIFIC circ**stances, but for homosexuality, he STATED that it’s an ABOMINATION. He never ok’d slavery or divorce, he merely acknowledged. Homosexuality? He WIPED out an entire NATION for that SINGLE offense. Trust,other types of wickedness was going on there, for which HE was willing to forgive, and waited for the people to repent and turn away from. HOMOSEXUALITY was where the Most High DREW THE LINE. I am no Bible scholar, but I do know enough to know what it says about homosexuality, and that you are comparing apples and oranges, and you are not fully apprised of what scripture says re: slavery, just as the ignorant bigots you referenced. Try again.
Kountry_mayne and others who invoke scripture. Check your Bible. Before you throw around what is Scripture and God’s plan around, know what the Bible says bout other social issues that society has deemed inappropiate inspite of what is written in the Bible.
Look at slavery. Below are a few things the Bible says about slavery. And there’s more… much more.
Now if you accept what you believe as the comdemnation of homosexuals because it says so in the Bible, you must also accept what the Bible says about slavey as valid.
Leviticus 25:44-46 (King James Version)
44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
How about Timothy 6:
1 Timothy 6
1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
2And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
A few notable comments:
[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God…it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation…it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts – Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America
Every hope of the existence of church and state, and of civilization itself, hangs upon our arduous effort to defeat the doctrine of Negro suffrage – Robert Dabney, a prominent 19th century Southern Presbyterian pastor
… the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example – Richard Furman, President, South Carolina Baptist Convention
only thing i can say all you guys are right which is overwhelming to the norm in society.. I am just mad that being gay or lesbian is a fad or something cool.. IT is sad because are children are now experimenting with this idiocracy… KEEP YOUR SEXUALITY BEHIND CLOSE DOORS… If I like animals you dont see me trying to legalize “beastiality” To marrty a freakin horse….I guess that is next huh.. QUIT POSINING AMERICA… We are the only nation that accepts this crap…. and to be impartial I accept gays more than lesbians becasue they at least dont go around looking like men confusing everybody and what I dont get if you want to be with a woman that looks like a man then “Y” not get one…. DILDO LOVERS
bravo Peninsulachick,Mr_Spann, & Jah
It is not just Christian ideology that says homoseuality is wrong… Every mono-thesic faith (belief in ONE God) says so.. Judaism, Christian, Islam, Yoruba… Sooo, is God wrong in every culture and faith?
Nobodu “chooses” to be “straight”. Your sexuality, at BIRTH, is a foregone conclusion. You CHOOSE to divest yourself of what nature intends. There are some drug addicts who will tell you they didn’t “choose” to be; what say you to that? They’re at a party, having a good time, and someone slips something into a drink or their food without their knowledge or consent, and they’re hooked. What now? Still their choice? It makes as much sense as LGBT who say their lifestyle CHOICE isn’t their choice…You may find the same sex attractive, but that’s because you choose to. Nature says that OPPOSITE sex humans procreate in order to reproduce more humans. Two same-sex individuals cannot be called upon to manage that undertaking; nature ordained that, so no what? Try the argument that a hetero couple aren’t able to reproduce. They can’t do so because of an exisiting dysfunction, NOT because they aren’t SUPPOSED to. A same-sex couple with all of their proper plumbing in place and fully functioning could attempt to procreate for a millenium to no avail…It doesn’t happen because it’s NOT POSSIBLE according to the laws of nature. It’s a choice, simple. Don’t attempt to normalize it and desensitize people to by ramming it down our throats, name-calling those who speak against it (homophobe), or strong-arming people who take a stand. And, PLEASE, do not insult my ancestors by comparing it to racism! My forebears were subjected to horrific treatment, centuries of mysogeny and violence, due to a condition they COULD NOT change. RACE at birth, is a foregone conclusion; you don’t “come out of the closet” about blackness. You can’t take it off an put it on at will. You don’t get to choose to be black in the privacy of your home, and non-black at work or in public. That’s so offensive, and disrespectful to the memory of those who LIVED slavery. Try something else.
I don’t understand why LGBT feel the need to have their aberrant lifestyle “normalized” through marriage, and the other manes they use to FORCE this upon the mainstream? @ebonyblazer251: while you make a very strong argument in favor of NORMALIZING deviant behavior, please remember that there DOES exist a higher power, who sees homosexuality as an ABOMINATION. Uncomfortable with that? Turn to nature…HUMAN nature..In order for us to continue as a RACE(human)we need to REPRODUCE, or PROCREATE. Left to 2 same-sex mates, that is biologically an IMPOSSIBILITY, and so would end the race known as HUMAN…Science has attempted to defy nature to no avail, proving that GOD IS, and if HE IS, EVERYTHING else about GOD must be true, including his aversion to the lifestyle choice of homosexuality..BTW, Christians aren’t the only ones who believe in GOD, and also aren’t the only ones against homosexuality…I don’t think YOU would care to enter a discussion either, as you challenged Kountry_mayne in your post. Deviance, even when practiced by MANY, is still deviance. I believe the rights of LGBT peoples are already protected under HIPPA…
What about pedophiles who have chemical imbalances that lead to them wanting your 7 yr old little neice on a platter or the woman who was caught cheating on her husband with her dog…
When do we decide it to be choice and straight up sinful lust!
AND PLEASE GAY PPL STOP FOOLIN YOUR SELVES
YOU ARE NOOOOOOTTT I REPEAT NOT GOING TO HEAVEN BEING HOMOSEXUAL
ROMANS CHAPTER 1
CLEAR-CUT-DRY
PROVERBS 14
12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
IN YOUR CASES THE “HERSHEY HIGH-WAY”
Hey, why not let pedophiles marry their victims. All they have to say is, “FOR ALL MY LIFE, I’VE BEEN ATTRACTED TO CHILDREN. I DIDN’T CHOOSE TO BE THIS WAY, BUT THIS IS HOW I AM” We don’t call that a lifestyle. We call that sick. What about people who are into animals. “ALL MY LIFE I’VE ALWAYS BEEN ATTRACTED TO ANIMALS….yada yada yada. This is all a crock.
WoW…gay ppl are incredible…they get an inch they wanna mile…
Sodom & Gomorrah is upon us America!
@Kountry_mayne: Christians who insist that homosexuality is a choice should be heavily reminded that Christianity ITSELF is a choice too. And both homosexuality and Christianity are two well aged concepts that have existed throughout our history. So why should the choices of Christians be favored over that of homosexuals? If homosexuality is ‘wrong’, what’s stopping Christianity from being heavily misguided also? Somehow I’m not sure you’re up for discussing the subject with this sort of complexity.
@gforces: There is no such thing as ‘Black’ civil rights. The Civil Rights Movement was bigger than simply getting Black people more or special rights–it actually wasn’t about those things at all. It was about being equal treatment under the freedoms fortified by The Constitution and the Bill of Rights. People of color benefited, women benefited, EVERYONE benefited. Those that would be ‘insulted’ by comparisons to the CRM are only that way because of a short-sighted ignorance.
For the record, I’m straight. But to say that homosexuality is akin to choosing to have a drug habit is ignorant and insulting. Calling HIV/AIDS “God’s punishment” means that you side with the disgusting bigots like James Dobson & Jerry Falwell who have said very similar things. HIV/AIDS is not a “gay disease”, like was thought for many years, but can infect heterosexuals, as well… since it’s a “punishment” in your eyes, what have those people done to deserve it?
And instead of “God made me that way”, how about just being BORN that way? I realize that you’re approaching this from a religious angle, but let’s talk in a secular fashion. Let’s take “God” out of this and talk about this like rational, thinking human beings who aren’t living according to 2,000 year old superstitions.
and just for the record… yes lesbians can contract hiv / aids from oral sex and genital contact. no one is safe.
Being gay is a choice. Unless you said God made you that way which is against the very word that he preaches. Gay people give in or feed their curiousity. You were not born and just happend to be gay. any one that is homosexual chooses to be that way because its the choice that they have made either based off of the way they were growing up or based off of their curiousity that they have fed which turned into something they very much liked. But eyeself your right there shouldnt be consequences from mankind about being gay ( if you are ) thats for God to decide later. I believe every one has a right to do what ever they please to a certain extent. If they want to kill them selfs off of cocaine then let them. wanna be a meth head then let them. dont want to wear a seat belt then let them. wanna be gay then let them. as long as what they are doing is not harming others. But there are deadly consequences for each. me personally i think the consequence for being homosexual was put on this earth by God which is the HIV / AIDS virus as well as sleeping around with other people without being married to each other.
gforces, did you choose to be straight? Probably not… you always felt the same way about the opposite sex. Imagine if you had always felt that way about the same sex… would you still think it’s a “choice”? There shouldn’t be “consequences”, as you put it, with regards to civil rights, simply because someone is being who they’ve always felt that they are.
Gays are not an ethnic group, to compare, so called gay rights to black civil rights is insulting. I can’t wake up tommorrow and decide to be “Irish”. To be gay is a choice plain and simple and if one, “chooses” to be gay, then one must accept the consequences that come with making that choice..