Did God Tell Us To Tithe? (Part 1)
Like clockwork, during offering time at most churches this scripture is read: Luke 6:38 “Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.” (KJV) That quote was usually followed by a quote of Malachi 3:10 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”(KJV)
These words stuck with me as a young kid. For most of my life, 20 cents out of every $2 dollars I earned through chores went into the offering plate. Birthday money, Christmas money or change I found, 10% went into the offering plate. One thing was interesting, at the end of Malachi 3:10 this whole thing about, “…pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it” was not coming true in the lives of all the tithing people I saw from my young vantage point. I would think that everybody would be rich financially if they followed this principle over their entire lives or at least for a few years.
Later, as I moved into my teenage years, I became disenchanted with the old ways of the traditional churches. The mega-church movement started in the 70’s and was going strong in the 80’s. In the late 80’s, I was a teenager on the threshold of young adulthood. I was finally at the age to drive. I was blessed to have my first car as a senior in high school. This gave me the freedom to venture out and hear all of the new ideas and revelations during this mega-church renaissance. The services were much more innovative and the music was great. With fancy envelopes anyone could give to any number of things within the church. The options for giving listed on the envelopes were ministries like missions, the building fund and “other” (I never found out what other was for). There was also a line on these envelopes for tithes and offerings. What was interesting was most of the traditional elements of church were done away with but during the offering time 2 scriptures were brought up, Luke 6:38 and Malachi 3:10.
With all of the mega-innovation, I never thought about why Luke and Malachi were still being used during offering time. These scriptures always made me feel obligated to tithe. During the mega-movement there was a slight change. Instead of tying these scriptures to guilt, some ministers began tying these scriptures to faith. With all of the new faith teaching during the early years of the mega-movement, some pastors and ministers would challenge everyone to exercise faith through tithing. The common teaching was that tithing was exercising your faith by giving money to God and believing that God would return not only the amount that you gave but more.
I had faith, I thought to myself. No matter what, I was going to tithe. I never questioned tithing throughout my 20’s. I was a tithing machine. By the mid 90’s, the pervasive message in churches around the country shifted from faith to the concept of breakthrough. Someone discovered a biblical passage in 2 Samuel 5:20 that was duplicated in 1 Chronicles 14:11. In this passage, God causes David to breakthrough his enemies like water so he named that place “Baal Perazim” which in English is “Lord of the Breakthrough.” Armed with this new catch phrase, many pastors across the country attached tithes and offerings to the message of breakthrough. The correlation in their words was that financial breakthrough came through giving tithes and offerings.
I noticed that most of the people who were tithing were having some successes through life, but not many were rich financially. Don’t get me wrong…some people were experiencing financial windfalls but not most. As the mega-church movement grew and churches became larger, it seemed the main ones benefiting from this philosophy were some mega-pastors. Some mega-pastors were teaching tithing relentlessly, but most parishioners didn’t experience the windfalls of Lear jets, Bentleys, mansions and huge bank accounts like their beloved mega-pastors. Observing this, I never questioned it because I had faith that one day my “breakthrough” was coming.
I happen to be a songwriter / producer. I’ve had a fair amount success starting in the late 90’s. Over time my industry changed. For a long time I had faith to have a breakthrough, why not continue the tithing formula I had been taught to bring it on. I’d had no ill intent. I was merely operating according to the concept I had been indoctrinated into. This philosophy fueled me to continue to be a tithing machine.
One evening I watched a television show called “American Greed” on CNBC. This series chronicles the stories of scam artists and thieves. One particular show, “American Greed” focused on a minister that scammed a lot of Christians throughout the southeast out of millions of dollars through a ponzi scheme. One of the investigators said that these ministers appealed to people by using a passage of scripture about compassion and forgiveness, to get them to give money. The passage of scripture was Luke 6:38. Wait a minute I said to myself, Luke 6:38!?! This is the quintessential scripture on giving.
I pulled my bible out and investigated. This time, instead of just settling for the King James Version of the Bible, I decided to read the Contemporary English Version of this passage. I then decided to read the whole chapter. I also read the duplicate passage in the 7th chapter of Matthew. What was life changing was reading the whole context. Once I read Luke 6:37- 42, I realized there were key words that many pastors skipped. In the 37th verse Jesus speaks of judging and forgiving others. In verse 38, Jesus starts off with giving, but ends that verse in an interesting way to indicate what he meant by giving. Luke 6:38 (CEV) “If you give to others, you will be given a full amount in return. It will be packed down, shaken together, and spilling over into your lap. The way you treat others is the way you will be treated.”(CEV) Jesus was not talking about giving money; he was talking about giving forgiveness and compassion. Maybe you saw this revelation a long time ago but I missed it prior to reading this translation. The end of the verse further illustrates this when Jesus says, “The way you treat others is the way you will be treated.”
Why did so many pastors skip the proper exegesis of this text? Many taught that this scripture was saying that if I give money to God through the church, others would give to me. I was taught that financial windfalls are what is meant by “pressed down, shaken together and running over.” The truth is this was speaking of how much compassion and forgiveness we would receive as a result of how much compassion and forgiveness we gave?
But wait, my success in music was a breakthrough. Remember, I tithed all my life and then my windfall or “breakthrough” came in my successes in music. I thought that God honored my tithing? According to Malachi 3:8-10, I’m not supposed to rob God? God robbers are those who don’t tithe, right?
Before making a judgment or coming to any conclusion please read part 2.
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all i wanna say is “READ THE BIBLE” it has instructions on how to live a simple life,laws etc. etc. pay your tithes u will see the blessings come down !!!! peace
I once had to struggle with this subject as well, but i thank God cos he showed me the ligth.
PPl always attach tithing to the old testament, even further some believe its attached to the laws given by moses to the isrealites (levits inclusive). so if we were not been held by the law, we are under no obligation to tithe?
Well the good news is this, tithe came even before the Law, according to the bible Abraham was the first to tithe ( to the king of salem) and this is confirmed both in the old testament and new testament , therefore i believe that if abraham tithed, every christian – as a child of abraham is obligated to tithe.
i heard tithes was for the Levite preists….
im not sayin that SOME churches dont use the money for basic stuff like lights/water/rent for the church-building and helping the needy…..
but TODAY alotta churches are 501-C (corporations that dont pay taxes), cash money EVERY sunday !!!
Your success in life may not be what God wants for you. Remember, Jesus was a very poor man finaically. But because he had compassion so should you. God doesnt need our money. He wants our obedience. he says in malachi bring tithes so there will be meat. (no money) in my house. The money supplies the chuch. When Arron became the first priest he didnt have land or money or a job or cattle so the church had to supply, that is what God said in the book of leviticus. Keep reading Bro it gets deeper. Love ya man, but I gotta go.
Thanks to everyone for the update, but I think we need not stop here. Lets check the Old Test. for Yah`s word on it all. To me money has nothing to do with it, you should give what you have whether it is time, cloths, garden goods, things on this line. Why is money so important to Yah( God )????? I understand the up-keep of a building, but that should be what it is called, or for just the building not the pastors pockets.Also, if someone truly needs then give, why ask, use your wisdom for that. Do not turn down people in need, would you want Yah to turn you down on what you may need???????? Come my brothers, an sisters lets put the word of Yah to work READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF your going to quote the word of God. Quote the whole thing not just half. If you have enough of something and you see someone that might be in need. Bless that person and you will have room to receive your blessing.
People in church neva talk about these issues always had a problem wit tha givin part because the ppl @ my church (pastor & ppl around him)live a luscious life while we still struggle 2 pay our bills Sad 2 say but recently i became an atheist after being in church my whole life
For years I have waited for someone to publically talk about tithes, and the institution of tithing as it relates to the New Testament Church. I have conducted studies on the subject and have presented it to Pastors and Church members alike and I have yet to have one disagree, but they say, “we can’t teach that tithing as it is carried out in the New Testament Church is incorrect”. I would love to be able to use this stage for a real discussion on this subject. I applaud the author of this article having courage to announce the truth.
I think it stems from Christians depending on the word being spoken to them instead of studying to show themselves approved unto God, workmen that needeth not be ashamed RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH. Study the words tithe, tithing, and tenth. Find the scriptures where these words appear from Genesis to Revelations, and then answer these questions, 1. Who 2. What 3. Where 4. When 5. Why and 6. How. Using the gathered verses, and I promise you will view New Testament Church tithing differently. You will need a good Bible Refference book and Bible Dictionary. Be encouraged to know that God is and He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Be Blessed!!
Mark
God knows a mans heart to sum it all up if you ask me its not about what you give but is ya heart into giving helpin out you fellow man or woman.
D-mello, as far as the church pulling up your account, you have to keep in mind that they are responsible for being good stewards of the money they receive, and that some churches track your tithing for tax reporting, and also as verification of your membership. Would you want them giving to every hand that came asking? Even in the Word they didn’t give money to all who asked. Unfortunately it appears that they didn’t know you individually to see that you were in fact a member there, and that’s a separate issue. But them not helping you in your time of need alone is not reason enough to say they’re not a true house of the Lord.
Anthony,
religion is man made its one faith thats have faith in God, one belief to belive on the lord Jeses Christ and one baptism that mean be baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy ghost. there is 100’s of religion the most important thing is to read the lord word for your self, but before u read the bible pray to the lord for wisdom and undering for what u read u will understand in Jesus name.
yes it is good to pay tithe in church you don’t worry about what they do with the money the Lord will handle them. tithe money suppose to be for the up keep of the church and if someone is in real need. so if pastors etc. choose to spend that money other wise trust me the Lord will handle them. not just titheing in church you can also help other in need out side the church God is Love we need more love in this world this is turning into man world. The lord is just giving us time to get right with him he do not want anyone to go to hell, but we have a choice go right or go wrong free will. you are not save by work we are save by grace. So that in it self Jesus die for us so that should give you all the self will to try to live right. Jesus is the answer for the world today. some people have tryed their way it work for a while but as time goes on they are wondering what happen. We can do nothing with the Lord. put him first then everything will fall in place. our time is not the Lord time so we want things right now but he is an on time God.
I had struggled with this topic for a while. Different churches teach different things on the subject and as for my understanding I give what is purposed in my heart to give that is the only part God is concerned with what is in your heart. Giving comes in all ways weather it is your time, money, talent, etc….anything to help someone else. I believe that is what we all were put here for to be a help to someone else. I also believe that whenever you help someone God retains the Glory from that we don’t have to put a label on it or we can it is up to the person. My giving does not always go to the church, if God sends someone my way that is in need and all i have is my money to put in church I will give it to that person. Weather it is in the church or out in the street God still gets the Glory and he sees all and knows all but when God lays on your heart to be of help he is looking for your obedience to him. I just had an incident this weekend about my offering i was going to put in the church. I received a call from someone who was elderly and did not have money for food for the week. God touched my heart right then to give them the money that I was going to put in church. And I gave out of my love and obedience to Christ. In my book giving is giving as long as it is from the heart. Alot of people wont even go to church a particular Sunday to hear the word because they don’t have the money to put into the collection plate. To me that is just like being in bondage. God wants us to be free in him not bound by the law of having to give only in monetary ways. There are alot of other ways a person can as long as it is from the heart!
Dont mean to be disrespectful to anyones beleifs but Im a Seven-Day-Adventist which i beleive in the bible and not man. The bible says to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy etc… In the SDA church money doesnt go to a pastor but to a confrence where there are checks and balances unlike the Sunday churches where the money goes staright to the pastor. All im saying is that maybe your following the wrong religion because there is a right religion but people claim there is no true religion. There is and its the SDA church where theres checks and balances and does what the bible says. So maybe your in the wrong religion where theres corruption not to say SDA churches arent because we are human and ALL sin and come short.
I have read parts one and two and I haven’t tithe all my life. I have lived a life of hurt and pain for 26 years. I am a married mother of two and I became saved when I was 11 years old. I have not lived by everything the Bible teaches but I have held in my heart and in my life that to for give is gold. I was abused, sexually molested, and miss treated all my life. I was also almost died at the hands of my first husband. I like what you have written I feel that alot more people need to read this. God has blessed me so much because I first learned to forgive my trepassers. After reading this, I picked up my CEV and started reading the same things. I thank you brother and I pray that God continues to pour out blessings in you and your family’s life. God Bless
tithing was commanded under law of moses..r u an isrealite? if so tithe..i am a christian..not an isrealite..2corth.9.7 explains how we give..1corth.16.1-2 tell when to give..
I do believe that you are supposed to tithe. Personally I don’t write my name on the envelopes because being Christian is a spiritual thing and knowing that the spirit is real I know that God sees what I put in the envelope. This brings me to a story of once when I didn’t have money to pay the rent. And being a long time member of my church I went to them for help. Not the whole amount but anything. I remember the decan pulling up an “account” in the church database and saying that you have never payed tithes so they decided not to help me. Of course I was furious because I knew that I had been paying tithes. Now that time has passed the spirit revealed to me why they didn’t help me because as my life played out I needed to go through what I went through afterwards. But what I also learned is, that particular church could not have been a TRUE house of the Lord because being a member of the church or not they shouldn’t have hesitated to give. Just like the bible says had they gave to me it would have been returned to them in other ways. Guess they forgot that part.
I am glad that most people agree that the church and church business is not supposed to be provided for financially out of the pastors pockets. In giving, the scripture refers to tithing and offering so we really need to study the word that we will have the mind of Christ in all things.
JUDGEMENT DAY IS MAY 22 2011. ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT OF FAMILY RADIO, GOD WILL DESTROY THIS WORLD IN 2 YEARS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH ALL OUR MONEY?
Being a devote christian myself, I also tithe, not because the “church” tells me to, but because “GOD” tells me to. When you give, you are supposed to give from the heart. Now, whatever the church does with that money, being good or bad, that is on them, not you, if you are being obedient to the word. Yes, some religions are just money rackets, but God tells us to tithe, not to get rich, but to strengthen our faith in him, so that we may believe in his power and trust him, not man to provide our needs. And blessings are not just in the form of money or richness. A breakthrough from God can be good health, a decent place to live instead of being homeless , a new car or even good people in your life. Blessings from God come in all types of forms. So, if God gave his only begotten son to us, we can surley give him 10% of our earnings.
The only people authorized to collect Tithes were the Priests of the Nation of Israel. When you read Malachi 3:6-10 what Nation are you robbing when you don’t pay your Tithes? Is it the Baptist nation? What about the Catholic nation? No, it is the only nation that God has ever been concerned with and that’s the Nation of Israel (Amos 3:1-3, Matthew 15:24). Shalom.
At my synogogue, no money can be collected Friday through Sunday. The Sabbath begins Friday at sundown to Saturday sundown. We have no offering plates. Donations to the temple are privately given. There’s no public display or announcement of who gives what.
As a contributing member we all give a dollar a day or 365 dollars per year to contribute to the rabbi’s salary. The rabbi’s annual salary isn’t based on a percentage of donations but what’s determined by contract.
The idea of what’s given is returned goes back to the Heremetic theories of Egypt.
That being whatever you give, in time, words,thoughts or physical energy is returned to the individual. For example, recording artist who sing about being shot all the time could at some point manifest that reality into their lives through their words. This etheric substance that’s all around us and in us is the stuff of creation. Our words and thoughts ’seed’ this electro magnetic field and what we give to it, does not return to us void.
GOD tells us how to give, in 2 Cor 9;7 So let each one give as he purpose in his heart, not grudgingly or out of neccesity, for GOD loves a cheerful giver…..so anyone that tells you how much to give is error, and it also tells you in Proverbs 28;27, He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack, but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse….Proverbs 28;8, He that by usary and unjust gain, increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor…..Proverbs 29;7,The righteous considereth the cause of the poor, but the wicked regardeth not to know it…….so as you can see, we are to give to the poor and needy……and JESUS also tells us how to give, in Matt 25;34-40……
I agree wit a few people on this subject. Tithe is suppose to be ten percent of you earnings.See that’s the promblem today wit these false pastors today they decive u into in beliveing in just one scripture like the one we are talking about. First and foremost u must have an understanding of the bible for yourself NOT anyone elese. What about the love of money hello. Don’t be decived by false prophets that will make u second guess god. Remeber this scripture and I’m not saved so my bible quotes might not be acurate but if u have any knowlege of the bible or any up bringing in the church u know
That u should put ur faith in man because he will surely let u down.
So wit all that said yes we should pay tithes forgive me if I’m rammbling but,my God gave me a book to follow his word not mans word.
Tithing is irrelevant and should never have made it to the religion of christianity… The tithe is an amalgamated tax used by the church and commissioned by Moses. At that time in history, the church was equivalent to THE IRS (THEIRS). We already pay federal taxes to our government (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s), so we are not bound to tithe by Jesus own mouth. Since we’re on the subject of religifables… There is also no need for a building, for the church, according to Jesus, was the people themselves… their commitment to peace and understanding… not for the oppression of Jewish rule via satellite offices of Judaism. If ninjas would simply consider how we were introduced to this cracker jack religion, we wouldn’t be so loyal to our own oppressors. I’ve done my part towards the Great Commission by freeing myself and leading others toward freedom, as Jesus / Solomon / Horus / Thoth have done before me.
The New testament was not meant to abolish the old testament, yet was used to show us how sinful the nature of man is and how we cannot obtain salvation without the grace and love of Christ Jesus, who died for our sins. Read all of Romans. Matthew 5:17 Jesus tells the world he came to fulfill the law and not abolish it…the law was the old testament.
We are imperfect people who needed a savior, because not one is capable of obeying the law.
As far as tithing, it goes deeper than money. Tithing is an act of sacrafice, but the Lord said obedience is better to sacrafice. God does not want your sacrafice if you are not obeying, and hopefully you are giving to a church who serves the needy. Tithing was supposed to help the poor, not the building get bigger or the pastor spend in excess.
Seems like you took what was read in that Contemporary (revised Bible) and liked what you read. Pray about and God will tell you what’s real. For me, tithing is what’s BEST!!:)
If you beleive in the bible; If you believe it from the front to back pages; If you believe that God inspired the writers to compose the good news, then wouldn’t you rather be caught doing than not doing according to His holy word?
i find that if u dont give as far as money is concern.all u have to do is give ten percent of your time. and you will still get alll of the blessings that is what i find to be the truth.
Pastor needs a new caddy, past the bucket and praise the lord. Also we will be selling chicken/rib dinners at our semi annual car wash.
Mr. Cole I can’t disagree with you more. You can’t have one with out the other. You are to give regardless and God will bless. I am so sick and tired of people not following the word of God this is why the world is in the turmoil it is in today. You take God out the devil moves right in. The Old testament is concealed and the new testament is revealed. You have to have both.People think it means monetary blessings, no that is not the case. You can be blessed spiritually, mentally, physically. This is what is meant by I wii pour you out blessings that you don’t have room to receive. It doesn’t always mean money.
I’m not a new Christian. I’ve seen the power and received the benefits of being a tither. God supplies our wealth. My church is my second home. Heck, often times more time is spent there than at home. I don’t take for granted what the word says in regards to tithing. I tithe because I know where that money is going. My pastor is very upfront with us as to where the money is going. We know that the lights have to be paid, we need running water and all that jazz. We aren’t a mega church we are a nice small church and our pastor knows us all by name. If one is missing he’ll come looking. We actually interact at our church. We don’t just go by his word, he makes us study the word for ourselves. Our bible study classes he opens up the floor for q&a. Forgive the longwindedness. I get excited about sharing God’s word. Trust me, follow the 10/10/80 rule. Tithe (10% of your gross), take out another 10% cause you have to pay yourself, the other 80% which is left is for bills and stuff. Life will be much better.
thats is why a lot people need to read bible for themselves it has a lot of men and women of the cloth out here misleading people.i have seen some people contradict themselves in sermons at times and i am talking about megapastors on tbn.it is not my place to judge anybody but people just need to watch who they are following.like my grandmother use to say the blind leading the blind
B”H
The Tithe is to go to the Levite, and to my limited knowledge there are no Levites in Christian churches. Read Numbers 18:21-32
where i go to church at when it time for the offering the brethren that is in the center will read the scripture that says giving is required whether it is in the old testament or not. the old testament is for our learning. we are under the new testament…the christian dispensation. you are told how to give and when. your tithes are to be given back to God. read 2 Corinthians 9 to get an understanding of why we give.
Im a new christian and i really dn understand the whole thing….these churches b confusing me! i really need to study cuz i really dnt what to believe when it comes to money and church!!
Im a new christian and i really dn understand the whole thing….these churches b confusing me! i really need to study cuz i really dnt what to believe when it comes to monet and church!!
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I shall await pt 2.
Tithing was a requirement of the Old Law, it is never repeated in the New Testament, therefore it is not a law which is binding on Christians. The Old Law was nailed to the Cross
Col. 2:14
14* having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
That is NOT to say that the New Testament is silent on the subject of giving. I believe that we who live under a better law with better promises and incredible prosperity should give liberally to the work of the Lord.
Tithing was an Old Testament Requirement. There is nothing stated in the New Testament requiring tithing. This is a very important concept to keep in mind. The requirements of the Old Testament were given to the Jewish nation, they are not carried over into the New Covenant.
What the New Testament tell us is that we must give “cheerfully.”
Read the following passages:
2 Corinthians 9:6-15
6 “Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not
grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;
9 as it is written, “HE SCATTERED ABROAD, HE GAVE TO THE POOR, HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ENDURES FOREVER.”
10 Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness;
11 you will be enriched in everything for all liberality, which
through us is producing thanksgiving to God.”
12 For the ministry of this service is not only fully supplying the
needs of the saints, but is also overflowing through many thanksgivings to God.
13 Because of the proof given by this ministry, they will glorify God for your obedience to your confession of the gospel of Christ and for the liberality of your contribution to them and to all,
14 while they also, by prayer on your behalf, yearn for you because of the surpassing grace of God in you.
15 Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!
Romans 12: 8 says…… “he who gives, with liberality….”
All of the Laws and regulations of the Old Testament are obsolete. They were nailed to the cross. The concept of a 10% tithing comes from the Old Testament.
Christians are required to give “liberally” and “cheerfully.” I
believe a Christian may be able to do this and give 20, 30, or even 40% since we live under a Better Covenant.
Hebrews 7:22
“so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.”
Hebrews 8:6
“But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.”
Therefore, if 10% was required under the Old Covenant, and we have a “Better Covenant,” how much should the Christian give? The answer is “give cheerfully and liberally.” Give until it makes you happy!
We should give “cheerfully.” The work of the church is to “sow the seed” (Matthew 13). The money the church receives is to “preach the Word” to a lost and dying world, and to help those who are in need.
According to the New Testament, we are not required to tithe. The Old Testament was for the Jews and Gentiles did not have a right to laws that were written for only Jews. When Jesus died on the Cross, thank you Jesus, He broke down the wall of separation so the Gentiles can receive the same inheritance as the Jews. The Old Testament is not to be followed today. If you take one thing from the Old Testament, you have to take everything else that came with it.